Lurknomore:That's what they would like for you to believe and think...but remember that the manufacturing and raw material cost of producing a game CARTRIDGE are significantly higher than pressing cd-roms, dvd-roms, and even the slightly costlier Blu-Ray discs. So it's not exactly an apples for apples discussion.
Yeah the material cost of carts is definitely more than CD/DVD/Blu-Ray, but the difference in today's development costs vastly outweigh the difference development costs in the cartridge era. Game production costs in today's market can wind up running equal to Hollywood production costs.
Oh yes, Timpysan...the rise in costs now are directly correlated to and because of development costs...the costs before in times past were from manufacturing costs to a large degree. That was the point I was trying to make. The largest example of this are the Neo Geo home cartridges. They were expensive because of the physical parts required to house the game on their carts.
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Also the shear amount of systems and games out there has increased the NES, Genesis, and SNES had much less market saturation then the PSX, PS2, 360, Wii, and soon the PS3. Gaming went form a kid’s toy to a giant industry. The large scale production reduces costs quite a bit too.
Large game studios who are the biggest offenders, I would suspect also have less production costs then other studios. EA who seems to only make minor updates to its games really saturates every part of their games with ads. I think they are trying to push up profits as high as possible with all of the ads; unfortunately they know their games will sell even with the lack of effort put into the games.
I understand in some games the ads do ad to the realism and those are appreciated, but those adds are in the background they are not shoved in your face while you play.
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Lurknomore:he largest example of this are the Neo Geo home cartridges. They were expensive because of the physical parts required to house the game on their carts.
No doubt... the biggest thing with the Neo was the massive amount of RAM in each of those carts. Those things were beasts. Love 'em though. I've always wanted to add a Neo AES to my collection.
Eidos Falsifies Quote, Rating from Kotaku
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taintedzodiac:Further fuel for the fire: Eidos Falsifies Quote, Rating from Kotaku
Good lord...
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timpysan: goomba478: I also believe that in-game advertising SHOULD make the games cheaper too, much as Gametap has done recently with free services and such. I agree. And, although it's a little off-topic, I hate, Hate, HATE being forced to sit through 30 minutes of commercials at the theater before a movie starts. I paid my $10 to see the movie. So why am I being made to sit through commercials? In my opinion, if I have to watch 30 minutes of ads that I can't fast forward through, the movie should be free.
goomba478: I also believe that in-game advertising SHOULD make the games cheaper too, much as Gametap has done recently with free services and such.
I also believe that in-game advertising SHOULD make the games cheaper too, much as Gametap has done recently with free services and such.
I agree. And, although it's a little off-topic, I hate, Hate, HATE being forced to sit through 30 minutes of commercials at the theater before a movie starts. I paid my $10 to see the movie. So why am I being made to sit through commercials? In my opinion, if I have to watch 30 minutes of ads that I can't fast forward through, the movie should be free.
Amen, everytime I see that stupid diet Coke commercial I want to get up and ask the manager if I was to supposed to have paid for the theater with advertising, or did I walk in the wrong theater.
timpysan: Microshock: Gamespot has said that Eidos had no influence on the reviewing process and that internal problems caused Jeff to lose his job. And I'm sure they're being completely honest about it and not trying to cover their heinous mistake in any way.
Microshock: Gamespot has said that Eidos had no influence on the reviewing process and that internal problems caused Jeff to lose his job.
Gamespot has said that Eidos had no influence on the reviewing process and that internal problems caused Jeff to lose his job.
And I'm sure they're being completely honest about it and not trying to cover their heinous mistake in any way.
I am going to play devil's advocate. Do we really have any proof of Eidos' lining GS's pockets. Every time that a game reviewer gets fired that it is a publisher's fault? I think that there are reviewers at these big time places that give games sub-par reviews just to get themselves noticed. Everyone will jump to say how great some obscure game is, and how overated games are that they helped to overhype. Either way these types of game reviews are obsolete.
Thought this was interesting to note:
Gamespot Wii and DS Newsletter:It's been a rough week for GameSpot, no question, especially coming right off the tail-end of the holiday rush. But let's not lose sight of what really matters: the games. We've got a hands-on preview of Panzer Tactics DS, reviews for Ghost Squad, Thrillville: Off the Rails, a number of Wii virtual console, and more.
It's been a rough week for GameSpot, no question, especially coming right off the tail-end of the holiday rush. But let's not lose sight of what really matters: the games. We've got a hands-on preview of Panzer Tactics DS, reviews for Ghost Squad, Thrillville: Off the Rails, a number of Wii virtual console, and more.
Not sure why'd they'd flatout say that. Still, I'm glad it's not something they can just shrug off. I mean, Kotaku reported people were canceling their GameSpot subscriptions "en masse." I know I would cancel if I had a subscription.
This has just gone too far. When will this madness end. My hate for GameSpot has subsided, but I think that we should make Eidos suffer. Is there anything semi-good coming out on the horizon from Eidos that we can concertly ignore?
nesnerosybloc:I am going to play devil's advocate. Do we really have any proof of Eidos' lining GS's pockets.
Considering that Eidos basically bought every blank space on Gamespot to promote K&L, I'd say that's proof of paid advertising.
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Check out this article detailing the changes that GameSpot has made to Gerstmann's Kane & Lynch review.
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/12/05/comparison-shows-significant-edits-to-gerstmanns-kane-and-lynch-r/ (opens in a new window)
I just finished listening to the GS "HotSpot" podcast, where they address this controversy. It was pretty obvious that the remaining editors are furious at corporate for the way the firing went and how the withholding of information made everybody look bad.
However, just when I started thinking, "Ok, they have some valid points. Maybe it's not as bad as I thought," Alex Navarro was cut off in mid-sentence while talking about some potentially touchy subject matter. Instead, the host of the podcast interrupted him and began spewing some corporate line about how all of this will ensure GS is the most trustworthy review site on the web.
If you're a GS veteran or have any interest in this issue, I highly recommend listening to the first half of this week's HotSpot.
They lost credability, plain and simple. Perhaps Jeff was overly harsh in his review, but the fact that the review got changed, he got fired, and K&L ads littered GS just screams pay-off.